ADHD & Adulting: Why Is This So Hard?!

Feeling like ADHD is making adulting impossible? You’re not alone.

From keeping up with bills to managing emotions in public, ADHD can make adult responsibilities feel overwhelming. In this Hypercast episode, we break down the real challenges, societal pressures, and the systems that actually work for ADHDers.

💡 What You’ll Learn:

 Why ADHD makes adulting extra challenging
✨ The myth of the “ADHD adulting manual” (and why we need one)
✨ How to build systems that work with your brain, not against it
✨ The power of rejecting societal “shoulds” and redefining success

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💬 What’s your biggest ADHD adulting struggle? Drop a comment below—we’re in this together!

Co-Hosts
Melissa Llewellyn Snider
Melissa is an ADHD coach and the Executive Producer of Hypercast. She offers 1-to-1 coaching and corporate education. Learn more at https://LikemindCoaching.com.

Brianna Morton
Brianna is an ADHD coach and therapist intern passionate about helping ADHDers navigate adulthood. Learn more at https://UnderstandingADHD.ca.

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Transcript

Hypercast ADHD & Adulting

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[00:00:00] Melissa: It's hard. Specifically harder for ADHD and neurodivergent individuals. 

[00:00:04] Brianna: Adulting is hard for everyone. There is not a single adult person I've met who's like, this is easy. Welcome to Hypercast. Welcome to Hypercast.

[00:00:13] Melissa: Today's episode is on ADHD and adulting. Let's talk about adulting. How are you feeling about your adulting, Brianna? 

[00:00:19] Brianna: I

[00:00:19] Melissa: love the fact that it's a verb now. I love that we can just add ing to the end of nouns and make them verbs. That makes me happy. What is adulting? Adulting is pretty much just doing all the grown up stuff, right?

[00:00:29] Brianna: It's the tasks that make Christmas y magical? 

[00:00:33] Melissa: Me! Chris! Christmas y magical! That just lit up my life. Thank you. 

[00:00:37] Brianna: You're so welcome. I swear this is a real thing. The point where you transition from childhood to adulthood is when you are responsible for making the magic of Christmas.

[00:00:46] Brianna: that transition through adolescence into adulthood is when you start taking over a lot of those tasks yourself. it's always gonna be harder for us to do those kind of executive functioning, time management [00:01:00] organizational tasks that help you function in adulthood. And

[00:01:03] Brianna: shit's hard. 

[00:01:04] Brianna: specifically harder for A DHD and neurodivergent individuals adulting is hard for everyone. There is not a single adult person I've met who's like, this is easy, 

[00:01:13] Brianna: it's variable too, because there's days I feel like I can show up and be great, and like today, I'm running a half an hour behind.

[00:01:20] Brianna: did you say a DHD is variable? 

[00:01:22] Brianna: things happen, like hormones happen. Life happens, exhaustion happens. Burnout happens. 

[00:01:28] Brianna: Some days you're not on top of the world.

[00:01:30] Melissa: Not on top of the world. emotions are adulting, right? as adults we're, we are tasked with dealing with our emotions and sometimes we have to deal with them in public. and with, with A DHD, our emotions can be really big and they can come really fast. 

[00:01:42] Brianna: as a kid, you can get away with temper tantrums. As an adult, you can't get away with that. So there like,

[00:01:46] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:01:47] Brianna: social expectations around adulting. 

[00:01:51] Melissa: Society has an expectation of you're supposed to act in a certain way, and sometimes that's hard for us. I had a client In our discussion, we were talking about [00:02:00] emotions I asked, where do you feel that in your body? she just stopped and was like, you're supposed to feel emotions in your body. I was just reminded of how often we intellectualize our feelings 

[00:02:09] Brianna: often.

[00:02:10] Melissa: yeah. 

[00:02:10] Brianna: why therapy is so ineffective for a lot of neurodivergent individuals is because we intellectualize, we don't feel,

[00:02:16] Melissa: Yeah. 

[00:02:16] Brianna: I had that same breakthrough with a client where I was like, Hey, are you feeling that? And you're like, huh? I was like, in your body, somewhere in your body, like the emotions are existing there.

[00:02:25] Brianna: Just like in my brain I was like, yeah, yeah, like. you like feel tight in your chest? Like, does your face feel hot? Like are your hands bald into fist? I was like, I just want you to notice behavior. 

[00:02:36] Melissa: What I loved is that same client then asked, how do I feel? Positive emotion? And I was like, so often I focus on how I feel about the negatives, but how do I feel about the positives? I had to think about it for a second.

[00:02:48] Melissa: when I'm walking outside with my dog and it's beautiful outside. I feel light. my posture's better. my head's more clear. my jaw, like uncles. Like these things are important to recognize too. 

[00:02:59] Brianna: I feel [00:03:00] happiness in my feet, because of that Penguin movie, happy Feet. like it's lighter,

[00:03:03] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:03:04] Brianna: I'm bouncing or I'm prancing

[00:03:06] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:03:06] Brianna: just like stomping,

[00:03:07] Melissa: Yes. 

[00:03:08] Brianna: like, the same movement.

[00:03:10] Brianna: Like you're still walking, but like prancing versus stomping I really struggled with bills, like understanding like getting my paycheck versus when the bills were due, how, how to make that all happen, like that was like really hard for me.

[00:03:24] Melissa: my brain was behind on that understanding of making those connections. I felt like it took me until my mid twenties to really like hunker down and really get those things.

[00:03:34] Brianna: I don't know if that's neurochemically you being behind. Because here's the thing if it's not taught to you in a way that your brain understands, you are not gonna learn it. where you would be developmentally behind someone is in social understandings, emotional understanding. So it takes us a little bit longer to mature in terms of that, but it's not necessarily like learning how to taxes. But where that would come into play is if it's not [00:04:00] taught to you, in the way that we need it to be taught IE like not the neurotypical way that

[00:04:04] Melissa: Yeah. 

[00:04:05] Brianna: We're not gonna have that information and then we're not gonna have the social or emotional skills to ask for that information.

[00:04:11] Melissa: the thing that you're saying is also reminding me that A DHD is hereditary. So how many of us are raised by, by parents who have A DHD and may not be the greatest examples of adulting themselves or helping their A DHD children create these systems that allow them to move smoothly into adulthood? 

[00:04:30] Brianna: if you understand yourself, you can then create systems for yourself that work. You are then more capable of maintaining relationships of parenting children and having them be successful.

[00:04:40] Brianna: Because if you can't model success, then you can't teach success. 

[00:04:44] Melissa: I did not have these great examples as a kid and I, I mean, I'm not gonna like be upset about my past, but it did take me longer because I had to realize that I was missing a piece. by missing that piece I wasn't able to follow through in [00:05:00] certain adulting arenas and I had to learn those things.

[00:05:03] Melissa: sometimes the hard way, 

[00:05:04] Brianna: if you don't know, if you don't have the information, if you don't how to ask for the information, or if you don't even understand that the information is missing and you're like, why am I struggling?

[00:05:13] Brianna: Everyone else is doing fine. It's 'cause they have information that you don't. That is the key to solving a lot of the adulting problems,

[00:05:20] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:05:21] Brianna: If you've only been modeled one way of doing something and that way doesn't work for you, you are always going to feel behind. 

[00:05:27] Melissa: What 

[00:05:27] Brianna: Let that sink in. 

[00:05:29] Melissa: it is sinking in. It's a little sad. 

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[00:05:31] Brianna: Yeah. It is overwhelming. Adulting is overwhelming for everyone, but in particular for us neurodivergent folks who have not been handed the adulting manual, like someone needs to print that up and give that to us.

[00:05:44] Melissa: Ooh,

[00:05:44] Brianna: everyone else get it? we don't.

[00:05:46] Melissa: Brianna, we need to make an adulting manual. 

[00:05:49] Brianna: Sign up for our adulting manual. You can do group coaching with us. 

[00:05:53] Melissa: I think this mountain metaphor is apt in another way too because a lot of times we contribute to that mountain there's [00:06:00] times I know I get in my own way 

[00:06:01] Brianna: if you do not have an understanding and acceptance of your neurodiversity, of how to work with your brain rather than against it, are going to inadvertently put barriers in your way because you're going to be trying to use tools that weren't designed for you. 

[00:06:15] Melissa: I know myself self pretty well, and even when I'm creating systems, there are times when I over-engineer my systems and I don't take the time to simplify them to really pay attention to what's causing friction. streamline things and make my life easier. 

[00:06:29] Brianna: Interesting.

[00:06:29] Melissa: a result, I will stop doing those systems.

[00:06:32] Brianna: Can you gimme an example? 

[00:06:34] Melissa: I used to have this whole system when, our mail came in, if I needed to file things. We had like a bank file and in that bank file there was a folder for each and every institution that we banked with. that was essentially like how all of my filing system was but it never worked. it was such a chore. That it prevented me from actually using a filing system at all. So I just had a pile of paper that kept getting bigger. Now, my filing system, when mail comes in is that I [00:07:00] handle it. It then goes into a folder that says I've already handled it, and that's it.

[00:07:04] Melissa: It's one folder for all things, I have one bucket that everything gets thrown into. 

[00:07:07] Brianna: Interesting. I might argue with you that is you not understanding. Yourself enough. Because

[00:07:16] Brianna: if you're over engineering a system that you have already identified the pain points for you're making it harder for yourself, there might still be some kind of emotional hangup of oh, I should be doing it this way, or I should be doing it that way.

[00:07:28] Brianna: Because if you've identified the pain points, why would you add more?

[00:07:33] Melissa: My counter argument to this is that I have both autism and A DHD. There are times when my autism really likes that order. Like it satisfies it so much and my A DHD wants to rebel against that entirely. And so I need to make sure that the systems I'm creating are actually honoring both sides of me so that I have some order and then I have just enough flexibility that allows it for, to be flexible for me when the A DHD [00:08:00] goes, I don't wanna be that detailed

[00:08:01] Brianna: I am gonna take that as a win 

[00:08:03] Melissa: for your argument. 

[00:08:04] Brianna: did you know that you had autism when you

[00:08:06] Melissa: I did not.

[00:08:07] Brianna: Yeah. 

[00:08:08] Melissa: I feel like I need to be more observant because this is new for me. 

[00:08:11] Melissa: I'm still growing and learning and that's, I mean, that's the thing.

[00:08:14] Brianna: we should be doing. Like that's, that is what adulting is. It is growing and learning

[00:08:18] Brianna: if you create a system that reduces work, then it's easier to maintain that system.

[00:08:25] Melissa: Yes. That's my whole point about reducing friction. So 

[00:08:28] Brianna: this is what adulting is. Successful

[00:08:30] Brianna: Adulting is not white picket fence. Two and a half kids, 401k. 

[00:08:35] Melissa: if that is you, great.

[00:08:37] Brianna: if that's your dream, go for it.

[00:08:39] Brianna: Girly, pop, succeed. But successful adulting isn't, my house is always clean, my linens are always folded. My doilies are perfectly placed. if the doilies aren't serving you get rid of 'em.

[00:08:50] Melissa: Yeah,

[00:08:50] Brianna: You don't need to change out the decorations in your house by the season. You don't need to do what those organizational moms do where they decant [00:09:00] mouthwash into a different container. 

[00:09:02] Melissa: how about keeping things alive as adulting, plants, pets yourself, kids.

[00:09:07] Melissa: Oh. I have such a hard time keeping plants alive. 'cause they don't talk to me. They don't tell me they need to be fed.

[00:09:13] Brianna: There's tech for

[00:09:14] Brianna: that. 

[00:09:14] Melissa: Oh God, I get so many notifications. Do you know how many I just ignore. 

[00:09:19] Brianna: this is why I wanna hire a cleaning service,

[00:09:21] Melissa: yeah.

[00:09:22] Brianna: is a pain point for me, and it doesn't matter how many systems I've tried, it's always a struggle. I can keep my kitchen clean, I can keep my bedroom clean, the bathrooms, the floors. I don't like vacuuming. It's too loud for me. and I also don't like touching dirty toilets. 

[00:09:39] Melissa: Gloves, gloves are my friend, even though I knew I had a DHD, I wasn't, I wasn't medicated until I was in my late twenties.

[00:09:46] Melissa: And even then I thought that. Just taking the pill was gonna cure my A DHD. It wasn't until I had gotten to one of the lowest points in my life and had to fight my way back I had to learn how to really treat my A [00:10:00] DHD. And that was in like my mid thirties. I have a client that, talked about, like, even after knowing they had a DHD, they lived their life shove themselves in a neurotypical box for so long

[00:10:12] Brianna: Yeah.

[00:10:13] Melissa: they still think of themselves in terms of being neurotypical.

[00:10:17] Melissa: They often forget because their life experience has been lived with a certain mindset. 

[00:10:22] Brianna: and this is what my hope is for future generations, that you do get that diagnosis early

[00:10:26] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:10:27] Brianna: understanding and acceptance. And so no one has to grow up putting systems in place that are counterintuitive to what actually works for them, which then as they mature into adulthood, solidify, and now you have to fight twice as hard to break those systems create something that

[00:10:42] Brianna: actually works for you into adulthood, 

[00:10:44] Melissa: we're sitting here talking about yeah, we know all these things that make life easy, but life isn't easy. It doesn't matter how much I know life isn't easy. Life could be really freaking hard. 

[00:10:55] Brianna: If I didn't have the systems in place that I currently have, which make adulting easier, [00:11:00] when I burnt out from doing too much work and school and whatever, I would then have failed at adulting and would have not been able to feed myself or have clean clothes

[00:11:10] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:11:10] Brianna: I would have completely broken down and maybe needed a grippy socks vacation type of situation in order to, to reclaim semblance of health, mental or physical in my life.

[00:11:20] Melissa: But knowing what you know allows you to fight back and get back to to homeostasis sooner, faster.

[00:11:27] Brianna: And that is what we're aiming

[00:11:29] Melissa: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:30] Brianna: we're never gonna be able to prevent burnout. We're never gonna be able to prevent life being hard. I saw a video of someone who scheduled their burnouts and I was like, that is so brilliant. 

[00:11:39] Melissa: High stress. 

[00:11:40] Brianna: Like corporate job, two kids, Just a lot of demands and they weren't willing to sacrifice any of their events. So they just picked one day a month where they're like, yep, this is my burnout day and I'm gonna burn out and I'm not gonna take care of anyone or anything. not even myself.

[00:11:54] Melissa: It's essentially like succumbing to the burnout. 

[00:11:57] Brianna: it is,

[00:11:58] Melissa: And, but also self care at the same [00:12:00] time let's talk about shoulds. so often us ADHDers feel like there's things that we should be doing or we should be doing something a certain way, or there's certain things we should be living up to.

[00:12:13] Melissa: those things are detrimental to our mental health and wellbeing.

[00:12:17] Brianna: yes. But let's pep

[00:12:20] Melissa: Sorry,

[00:12:22] Brianna: to speak for a second.

[00:12:25] Brianna: those shoulds, impact our success because not all of them actually work for us. 

[00:12:30] Melissa: society has shoulds, there's internalized shoulds. 

[00:12:33] Brianna: the internalized shoulds are from society, right? Like you don't, 

[00:12:37] Brianna: Mean it depends on if you believe in tabula rasa and being born as a blank

[00:12:41] Melissa: It's like, yeah, 

[00:12:42] Brianna: in my opinion, there is no. Knowledge at birth of like how you should be cleaning your house 

[00:12:49] Melissa: yeah.

[00:12:50] Brianna: That is a learned skill and you learn it differently depending on which culture you grow up in.

[00:12:54] Brianna: if you grow up in North America, there's a very individualistic, mindset here, promoting this [00:13:00] grind of like, 

[00:13:01] Brianna: I worked 10 hours last night, is somehow a laudable goal. you didn't go home to your family, you didn't spend time on your hobbies, you didn't spend time with your friends or self care or anything. That creates balance. And so those 

[00:13:16] Melissa: What the hell's balance?

[00:13:18] Brianna: the, those shoulds impact adulting

[00:13:21] Melissa: I don't know about you, but there's times I, well, it's the all or nothing. When I go all, I go all and

[00:13:27] Brianna: And when you go nothing

[00:13:29] Melissa: I go Nothing. 

[00:13:30] Brianna: and then you get the guilt and the shame because of the shoulds that you didn't meet.

[00:13:36] Melissa: Oh, it's a cycle. It's a cycle, cycle, cycle, cycle, cycle. And then,that cycle is further supported by what societal pressures say you should do. So if you think you should be doing and then society says you should be doing as well, You sure as hell should be doing it right.

[00:13:50] Brianna: This is the internalized of things of like, I know it doesn't work for me, but I should be doing it this way. And then you keep beating a dead horse with a stick. Or what is that thing? The [00:14:00] definition of insanity. 

[00:14:00] Melissa: I thing over and over again.

[00:14:01] Brianna: and expecting different

[00:14:02] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:14:03] Brianna: oh, if I just clean my kitchen this time, or if I just do it this way, it'll work. Or if I just keep a journal for this time, 

[00:14:09] Melissa: It'll change everything.

[00:14:10] Brianna: it's not gonna change. diet culture. It's like I should be healthy, I should be whatever. And diet culture isn't sustainable because you

[00:14:18] Melissa: Can I rant about diet culture?

[00:14:19] Brianna: Yeah. That's a part of adulting. 

[00:14:21] Melissa: I hate diet culture a lot. I hate things like keto or these low carb things that say you can only eat X, Y, and Z and they're like, carbs are bad. I, hate the whole thing that says carbs are bad. Because guess what? Vegetables are carbs people.

[00:14:35] Melissa: all brains require carbohydrates. 

[00:14:37] Brianna: A DHD brains require carbs because we function twice as quickly. Like our thoughts like even more than the neurotypical brain because our thought processes are faster and take more energy.

[00:14:47] Melissa: we also need in order to support those carbohydrates, we need protein. We need balance.

[00:14:52] Brianna: Oh my God. 

[00:14:52] Melissa: if you didn't catch it before, click right here. I'll link to Annika Angelo's interview with us. She's really great [00:15:00] science-backed, very practical, 

[00:15:01] Brianna: love her 

[00:15:01] Melissa: very practical information about what are good ways to eat when you have a DHD 

[00:15:05] Melissa: Oh, chef's kiss. We love you Annika.

[00:15:08] Brianna: But yes, balanced diet, 

[00:15:10] Melissa: is incredibly important in order to have the energy to adult.

[00:15:14] Melissa: 

[00:15:15] Brianna: I don't think any of us are immune. We can set up our lives to be as optimal as possible to live our lives with A DHD, but we're not fully immune from dealing with things. 

[00:15:28] Melissa: that's why it's really important to have.

[00:15:30] Melissa: Tools to fall back on when we do find ourselves in the situation where that negativity may be pulling us down, where we may be dealing with burnout. 

[00:15:38] Melissa: the point of this episode is not how to adult, because honestly babes, you're doing it just fine, right? you're alive, you're doing okay.

[00:15:44] Melissa: yeah.

[00:15:45] Brianna: We're here to validate and normalize that it's hard and you're doing just fine. I guess we're just trying to have a conversation and bring to light the fact that it is hard and that also validate that it is harder as a result of

[00:15:58] Melissa: Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:00] 

[00:16:00] Brianna: if you exist with the shoulds in your mind, like it's gonna be harder.

[00:16:04] Brianna: But even if you show yourself kindness and self-compassion and understanding and acceptance and everything we've ever preached, it's still gonna suck. It's still gonna be hard. 

[00:16:15] Melissa: there's gonna be days that are harder than others. 

[00:16:17] Brianna: for example, I, was diagnosed at a very young age.

[00:16:20] Brianna: I knew I had adhd, and so I was able to put systems into place in my adult life that make adulting as easy as possible for me. And I still

[00:16:28] Melissa: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:29] Brianna: I came from privilege. I had parents who supported me. I knew from an early age I was able to get an education and this is my career.

[00:16:36] Brianna: I am in the best possible position to succeed. And still, it's hard sometimes I'm in burnout and still sometimes I beat myself up about the shoulds. I have worked very hard to not allow the shoulds into my life, to the point where I don't function as a neurotypical adult anymore.

[00:16:56] Brianna: I function as a neurodivergent adult, and it has made my life [00:17:00] infinitely better,

[00:17:01] Brianna: but it's still hard. 

[00:17:03] Melissa: and some of us are still working on gaining those skills as adults, working through the emotions of grief, of what our lives could have been if we would've known earlier. really pivoting our perspectives to embrace our neurodivergence in a way that will allow us to have better self-acceptance and allow ourselves the grace and time to come up with those systems and build those skills for a stronger neuro divergent future. 

[00:17:29] Brianna: I have the utmost compassion for people who are late diagnosed, who are just coming into this journey, who are desperately seeking information to try and understand themselves. And if this podcast or YouTube video or whatever format you're watching this in, is part of your journey of understanding.

[00:17:47] Brianna: we are so happy to have you here. We're so happy that you are on this journey of self-acceptance and self-understanding, and hopefully this makes something in your life easier, even if it's just knowing that you're not alone.

[00:17:59] Melissa: [00:18:00] And we are not gonna lie to you. we'll give you tools to help along the way but also tell you guess what A DH D's hard and,

[00:18:08] Brianna: Like that's why it's a

[00:18:09] Melissa: yeah. 

[00:18:10] Brianna: one of my favorite things, it's like, oh my God, are you like, I'm being disabled by my disability? What? I am absolutely shocked that I am being disabled by my permanent disability right now. And I will also acknowledge that some people aren't ready to accept that A DHD is a disability. Um, and there are both sides, there's people who have a DHD and people who don't, who are trying to claim that it's not as bad as it is.

[00:18:35] Melissa: Yeah,

[00:18:36] Brianna: But yeah, again, the utmost compassion for people who are on this journey and for people who are trying to come to terms with the fact that neurodiversity is a disability because of the society that we're in, and because of the social expectations and the shoulds that have been put into place in order to 

[00:18:54] Brianna: to function as a functioning adult it's tough. 

[00:18:57] Melissa: And we're not gonna tell you that this is curable [00:19:00] 'cause it's not. 

[00:19:00] Brianna: shouldn't be, that's like the X-Men mutants. we don't need a cure like

[00:19:05] Melissa: Maybe one day there will be a cure, but I think the society would be worse off if we didn't have creative outside of the box thinkers,

[00:19:13] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:19:14] Brianna: who diverge from the path, right? Like I think that variety is the spice of life. And so if we don't accept and celebrate, not just accept, but celebrate our differences, 

[00:19:25] Melissa: I agree. even if they made our executive functioning easier, there's still things about us that will be different. our brains are different. We are a different neurotype. 

[00:19:34] Brianna: what I would like a cure for, in quotation marks is, um, the ability to start things

[00:19:39] Melissa: Yes. 

[00:19:40] Brianna: If you could come up with a task initiation medication, that would be great 

[00:19:45] Melissa: something that helps with transitions. 

[00:19:46] Brianna: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:48] Melissa: Task conditions and transitions. I, my life would be better. 

[00:19:53] Brianna: Perfect. 

[00:19:54] Melissa: most of my disability comes from the external shoulds that we've been talking about. I would like more focus on the [00:20:00] things that actually negatively impact me versus the things that negatively impact society.

[00:20:06] Brianna: the societal pressures, the shoulds can make adulting harder than it needs to be. To summarize our episode about a DHD and adulting, is very difficult.

[00:20:15] Brianna: maintaining relationships, maintaining a career, maintaining a home are all very difficult tasks When you're influenced by these externalized or internalized pressures from society, from these shoulds that we've discussed, become even harder to maintain. And they're important to maintain because that's how you live a life. adulting is the goal of childhood, right? I wanna be independent, I wanna be free to do what I want. And it comes with responsibility. so having this conversation about normalizing and validating how hard it is and that it is harder specifically for us neurodivergent folks, maybe make you feel a little bit better about it.

[00:20:57] Brianna: I'm not sure that we offered any Helpful tips. Just, just a [00:21:00] normalizing conversation about it is hard and it's okay that it's hard. And work with your brain rather than against it.

[00:21:07] Melissa: And be kind to yourself. Please be kind to yourself.

[00:21:11] Brianna: What we always preach is understanding and acceptance and hopefully. episode will have, gotten you further down that path.

[00:21:19] Melissa: We're all walking this path together, even though our journeys may be a little bit different. if you're in need of ADHD support, You can find me@likemindcoaching.com. 

[00:21:30] Brianna: You can find me@understandingadhd.ca. 

[00:21:33] Melissa: thank you so much for joining us, and until next time, bye.